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My prayers to God
One might say that praying is an inborn force that guide people to pray God, you see God is hope for those that need hope most; so when I pray it is this same force that guides me to pray to God?
My prayers to God
Welcome
to our religious article (14), Religious discussions and prayers
May
God guide and help me to say the right things?
In
order to achieve what we would like to achieve in these religious writings, I
am praying God to help me? Father here my prayer and help me, amen.
My prayer to God for this article
My lord God, with my personal writing
concerns I come praying to you Father-Most-High, master of the universe and
life-giver to every living thing, I am praying thee for forgiveness of all my
life sins and reconciliation to thy spiritual and eternal benevolent life
force, I am praying in the hope that you would forgive me all my life sins, and
then, you would hear my prayer and help me; I am praying with all my heart my
soul and my mind hoping that in your mercy you would guide and help me write
this article of, Religious discussions and prayers according to your will and
in such a way that these religious writings could become helpful one day to all
humanity. Father, hear my prayer and help me, amen.
Since
we are talking about prayers here, I would like to add another prayer that I
usually pray every day of my life, in order to feel that security within
myself, since by praying I feel that I have done the right thing spiritually
and God may indeed help me to achieve what I have to achieve with these
religious writings.
Prayer 2
My Lord God, Almighty Father I pray you
with all my heart, my soul and my mind to guard and protect me from all dangers
and the forces of evil and let me be a very wise man, so that I would be able
to live the rest of my life according to your will, and write these religious
writings as humanly as possible according to your will, and in such a way that
humanity could accept them and use them for the future benefit of mankind.
Father, hear my prayer, amen
Note,
if you would like to see more written prayers go to our blog Man needs God
and then click in the page link, PRAYERS
PAGE at the top of the list; now let us write our religious discussions:
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Religious discussions
Dear readers I have to confess that I feel as if I am being
driven by an inner force to write these religious writings of Prayers for
Reconciliation; I know that this force that I feel could be a psychological
wave within my brains that has been trigged from my own religious beliefs.
Anyhow, after thinking for a very long time and reflecting about this God sent
task that seems to be within my mind all the time and never lets me go; I have
come to the conclusion that perhaps I would never find peace within myself,
unless I fulfil my desire to write about these religious beliefs within me.
Now, here I need to add that there are a few reasons why I have started this
wanting to write something about my religious beliefs, but they are very
complex, therefore I have not been able to explain it fully, but I am sure that
I will soon be able to do that, perhaps in this article or our next article.
Anyhow, today I have decided to talk to my religious friends again about
religions, in the hope that now they may have come to see my religious task in
a more favourable way, and so they would be able to help me somehow.
So,
I have called my friends to let them know, that I would like to see them and
talk to them. Now, while I have been waiting for them to arrive, I have also
been thinking that it could be a good thing to write down the reasons why I
have started to write these religious writings, so that while we would be
discussing these religious issues, we would be able to understand the situation
better. Therefore, I have realized that one of the reasons why I have started
to write and need to write these religious writings was and it still is, that
perhaps I see God somehow different from everybody else, and I also see or
understand the Bible a bit different from everybody else; therefore, I need to
explain to my friends what I think God might be like, in the hope that by
explaining that, my friends will understand me better, and so, they will be
able to help me with their input about their approval or disapproval of whatever
is going to be said.
Here
I stop to think why I am seeing these religious things different, and surprise
myself that I am denying some of the main reasons why I wanted to write these
new religious views, here I find that one of the trigger of wanting to write
these religious views or beliefs in a new way were: one is about the atheist’s
denial of God existence; and the second one was the shock of the 9-11 terrorist
attack on American soil. I know these two groups are completely different in
their religious beliefs, because the atheists deny the existence of God, but
the Muslim terrorist believe in their God to the point of carrying these
terrorist acts and killing themselves in the name of their God Allah. These two
things although they are very different, at the same time they are religious
issues, so, there is a chance that they could be fixed modifying religions.
Anyhow,
when I have written this article for the first time, I had reason to believe
that the terrorist situation could escalate very rapidly and the terrorist may
make wars to the rest of the world, but this may not happen at all, so we have
to wait and see, but let us leave behind this terrorist threat for the time
being, so let us talk in general what could be done, in order to neutralize
both issues.
This
situation could be said to be very strange that these two groups who have
nothing in common, as they stand so far apart that if they were political
parties, they could have been described as extremist and one would be the
extreme right and the other the extreme left; now I believe that it could be
even stranger if what I believe would work; because I believe that by changing
some religious beliefs both of them could be neutralized, of course this could
only work if everybody would believe in a new religious way, which would be a
new religious way that we have in mind and are going to suggest within these
religious writings; anyhow this is how I see that this problem could be solved.
There
are other religious reasons
What
I have written above is only part of the reason, because there are other
personal religious reasons as well, I suppose you may be asking yourself why
this has happened to me, so, let me first inform you dear readers the reason
why I started to write these religious writings; well, it has been for my own
personal reasons that I have started to write these religious writings, because
I have been writing them as my personal prayer to our spiritual Father God Most
High, therefore, these writings are being written as my personal prayers to God
Most High, which I pray from the bottom of my heart, my soul and my mind, I
pray every day of my life, while I am happy and while I am sad and distressed.
Therefore within these writings here will be lots of prayers: In some of these
prayers I’ll be praying God for forgiveness in order to become purified, and
therefore become worthy to become God’s servant and therefore be able to write
God’s things; and then again in another prayer I’ll be invoking help from God
so that I would be able to write my religious writings the proper way, and in
some prayers I will be asking God to protect me from the forces of evil;
because the force of evil may try to take me away from God’s spiritual life
force, therefore it is important for me to fear and to beware the forces of
evil and pray
God to help me. Here I believe that I have to explain again
that my beliefs are based on a new way of understanding God, or God spiritual
life force of the universe so to speak. Therefore, there are many new ways of
seeing religious things and praying prayers, and hereunder is another one of my
prayers;
Another one of my prayers
My lord God, with my personal concerns I
come to you praying, Father Most High master of the universe and life-giver of
every living thing, I am praying thee to send me an angel from the realm of
glory, who would suggest me how You helped to create life on earth and
everything else, so that I could be inspired and be able to continue to write
my religious writings the proper way. Father, hear my prayer, Amen
This
is another thought that came into my mind while I was waiting for my friends to
come at the meeting, we need to define better, why we need religions and what
could be God of the future like? Anyhow, I have to stop writing now, because I
can hear somebody at the door, I can hear the voices of my friends, so they are
here now, let me welcome them.
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Religious discussions at the meeting
After
greeting each other and all other niceties that occur every time good friends
meet, I, Mark and Gino made ourselves comfortable and started to talk about the
agenda of the meeting, and I first of all asked them;
I
guess that you have come just the two of you because any other friend does not
want to take part in these religious talks? Is that right?
What
is the matter with them? Are they scared or something else?
Don’t
they see that we are talking only and nothing is happening? And nothing will
ever happen just by talking and trying to make sense of the whole religious
situation that exists today.
Dear
friends changing religious meanings is not new, we just have to look back at
the times of Our Lord Jesus Christ, to see that even Jesus Christ tried to
explain religious issues to the Jews in a different way, but the religious
leader of the time did not want to understand Our Lord, so they crucified him
to neutralize the new religious ways.
Anyhow
that nobody else has come with you does not matter much, and perhaps we are
better off without them, if they worry too much about exchanging religious
views or beliefs, in case they say the wrong things.
But
now tell me, what do people said if and when you have talked to them about God
and religion, and also what has been happening lately?
Here
my friend Mark was ready to answer me and he had a nice surprise for me, when
he said later on, that, ‘God is hope for those who need hope most’; and this is
what he said overall:
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God is hope for those who need hope most
Mark reply
Well,
most of the people that we have talked to are not interested about talking
religious things, and those who are have expressed themselves in many different
ways; but let me break these people beliefs in groups so to speak, so that a
better picture can be seen?
So,
first I have to say that a lot of people believe in God and religion just the
way it is today, this portion of people does not want any change in religion,
so they are happy to stay with the ways religions are nowadays, and if they
have any doubts in their minds they are not showing it. So, it would be a waste
of time to talk to them unless you agree fully with their religious beliefs.
There
is also a portion of people that have doubts about today religions and they are
ready to talk about it, some of these people don’t feel sure whether what is
being taught about religion is all true, so, they are believers but with some
doubt in their mind and heart. You can talk to this group of people but they
are not much help, if you want to find or formulate any new ideas.
We
have also noted that right in the middle there is this large group of people,
which believe in God
and religions only up to a certain point, these people
usually would like to know more and ask all sorts of questions, in the hope
that they could find their way how to return to religion fully one day, as they
seem to feel that religion is still important to them in many ways; sometimes
these people seem to want to follow religion just to have a sense of belonging
to a group, as they like to have friends and religion gives this religious link
to them that helps to have some friends.
Then
there is at the extreme end of this middle group those who believe very little
in religion as it is today, so, they are asking too many questions themselves
about religions, they are agnostic as they believe and at the same time don’t
believe in God and religions, one does not know what to do with this group, and
yet they are the most interesting ones, just because they would like to know
more. That is all there is in this middle group.
And then, there
is this last group of people, which today I would call the danger group for
religious beliefs, they are the atheist, they don’t believe in God and
religions, so, for them it would be better if religions did not exist. They are
usually very intelligent people and have a good job, so for them there are no
worries in life, therefore, they don’t see the need of God and religion to help
them with their lives, just because they don’t need God and religions, as they
feel secure within themselves; this well to do group starts putting forwards
all sort of stories in order to blame religion for some of the bad things
religions have done in the past, and also today religious extremist that kill
in the name or their God. (Anyhow, today I don’t want to talk about the
religious extremist, because this would change my main view of how I see
religions;) so, I am saying that these people don’t see that mankind have only
to blame themselves, because no real religion tells its believers to directly
kill, or do anything else that may harm anyone.
But
then, also attached to this well-educated atheist group, there are a few people
that are poor uneducated people and they don’t believe in God just to protest
their bad luck, as they are not happy about what the world is giving them, so,
they see the need to believe only in themselves; now, because of this belief
they may become the worst sort of mankind, because they don’t have any respect
for humanity, and also they don’t have a God or religion or any other sort of
inbuilt restrain within them. I could say more about this group but I think it
is better that I stop here and see what you think about it all.
Having
said all this, now I only would like to add what I have learned from all this
enquiries; and I want you to remember how I see religion now, as this may well
be important from now on, if we are going to talk about religious issues,
because I believe that religions are important to keep, it may not be a
universal human belief, as we have seen in the example of the atheists; but God
and religions are still needed today for those people that are unfortunate, as
they feel within their heart that they need God to protect or help them. For
this reason, God and religions are needed, because; God and
religion is hope for those who need hope most.
So,
remember that;
Religion and God is hope for those who
need hope most.
I
said, very well said Mark, and so did Gino at the same time.
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Comments on Mark speech
My
comment on Mark religious’ speech
Now,
let me see if I got it right, so let me say something about what you have just
said Mark; and then of course I am going to say how I see religious issues
today:
Looking
at what you have just said, we agree with you about this erratic people
behaviour, so, when we take it into consideration, it seems to me that overall
today people are not so sure about religions anymore, we could say that they
are not as sure as they were in the past, therefore as we can see today
religions are not as powerful as they were in the past, because people just
don’t believe just everything religious leaders tell them; therefore, they want
to know and understand religions for themselves, so they start thinking and ask
themselves what are religions for? Because of this trend there are many who
doubts about the value of religious beliefs altogether, so, they are splitting
up in smaller groups and everybody tries to be with their own mates so to
speak.
Because
of this religious movement there are some extremist groups like the atheists as
Mark has pointed out that do not believe in God at all; this group would like
to see that God and religions disappear from the face of the earth altogether,
because of their non-beliefs in God. I have to say that these atheists may even
succeed one day in bringing religions down, if the rest of the world doesn’t do
anything to stop this movement of bringing down religions. If that is the case,
what the good citizens of the world should do to restore a balance that would
prevent this event happening, one may ask?
Well
we need to do something, because there are reasons to believe that it would
result in a great religious chaos, if we let the atheists have their ways; for
these reasons I believe that the world cannot afford to suddenly stop believing
in God and religions and follow the atheist’s views. For this reason, I suppose
we should think about something that could help everybody in this community
continue with their religious beliefs, after all religions are still important
enough even today, because as Mark said; Religion and God is hope for those who
need hope most.
Perhaps
we should look at the reasons why these atheists are what they are today; we
can only assume
that religions as they are thought today don’t make
sense to most of them anymore, because most times religions really don’t make
sense even to us; but religious leaders still want people to believe what they
believe or what they want you to believe even when it cannot be explained by
common sense, as they would like to continue with religions just the way they
are, so that, they would be able to control the public through religious
beliefs.
So,
one has reason to believe that this religious leaders attitude is perhaps part
of the reason why people are moving
away from religions. Having said that, this question now
arises; if we want this movement to stop happening to religions what can we do
about it?
Well,
what we can do is hard to say, but we have to look closely and then decide what
could be done. Personally speaking for myself, I believe that we should review
the ways that religions are thought today, we need to see what the future
generations would like to see in religions and what they would like to change
in order to still believe in religions. Perhaps the best way is to go over
existing religious beliefs to see whether they could mean something else, or
they have a double meaning and choose the meaning that would not drive people
away from religions. What I have just said is one of the reasons that we would
like to sort out in the future while we continue to write these religious
writings.
Then
I turned to Gino, and said: Now that we have heard what Mark had to say and you
have also heard my views on it, what do you think of our speeches? And what
have you found out for yourself? You can say what you want now it is your turn
to speak.
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Gino's comment
These are Gino's comments
Let
me talk about Mark speech first: I have to say that Mark and I agree on most of
these religious issues, so there is no point in repeating them, I only would
like to say a bit more about the last group of people who we call the atheists,
as they need to be noted about their ways of thinking and speeches, I would say
that any religious believer should avoid talking to any of them
about religious matters, because soon or later those atheists are inclined
to ridicule the religious beliefs of the believers, and because, they are
usually good intelligent people, it is hard for any average religious people to
defend themselves from this group.
They
attack believers usually by asking proof of the existence of God or any
religious matter, so Mark is right when he calls them the danger group of
religious beliefs. We really need to think hard how to defend ourselves from
this group, if we want to save religions and keep religions as close as they
are today. Let me show you a few examples about what they usually talk about to
get the believers off guard.
You
believers say that God is Omnipotent, now if God is omnipotent then god should
be capable to do anything at all no matter how difficult the task is.
Now,
there are many things in the world that need to be fixed, why your god does not
fix them? For these reasons we say that your God most likely does not exist at
all; and/or he exists He is definitely not omnipotent, or he is not willing to
fix anything, so your god is not your fatherly benevolent god that you say he
is. Therefore, your religious beliefs are flawed and you would be better off if
you don’t believe in your God.
We
say and believe that we are right to assume that there is no God and religions
are there only to control people, now since religions fight with each other’s,
it would have been better if religions did not exist at all. Do you see what we
atheist mean?
This
sort of reasoning goes on with many god’s attributes and they challenge the
believers to give proof of the existence of God and its attributes. So it is
hard for any believers to give proof of God and its attributes. How can any
believers give proof about God?
This
is how the atheists attack any believers with this sort of reasoning; they do
that because for the atheists God and religion would be better if they did not
exist. What can be done to change their attitude is hard to say. But then if
nothing is done it can result in more harm to the community, because they will
slowly make the believer deny their God. If that happens, then whatever
religious guidance and restrains that religions have on the average believer
will be lost, so, the world will be worse off, because of this denial of the
existence of God and religions.
Now,
let me see what I can say about what you just said Frank, I can see that you
are trying to find a possible solution, but what sort of solution you do not
know yet, it is just as I was saying it is hard to know what can be done; I
have to say that there are times when I think that today’s religions are
missing the point, they don’t know how to keep the people believing what they
have always believed; because times are changing, but religions are not
changing at all, as they fail to see the need to change.
Therefore,
I understand you Frank when you say that something needs to be done, and I say
also that perhaps it is time to do something about it and find a way around it.
Looking at what has been said, I see something that perhaps can be done, so,
may I suggest that we start to read the Bible bit by bit and comment among
ourselves how many interpretations can we give to that part of the Bible, it
might turn out that there are interpretations that can apply to these modern
time.
I
hope I have explained myself clear enough in this difficult religious task.
Your
speech is clear enough for me I said; then I turned to Mark and asked: what do
you think of Gino speech mark? His speech is very clear for me too; in facts it
is just about what I would have liked to say myself. But now, where do we go
from here I don’t Know?
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I
suppose I need to say something myself now about what we have talked about;
what I see here is the need to review what is written in the Bible, and also
think hard if what has been written in the Bible had the right meaning at the
time it was written the first time, but today it may not apply and therefore we
may need to adjust things, as the needs of the day suggest.
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Frank's comment
FRANK
THE WRITER COMMENT
Mark
and Gino, now that we have talked about many religious issues in these
religious discussions, and what you have found for yourself while talking to
the people on these religious subject, what religious people think and what
atheist think, I hope that you may have changed your previous opinion, and
therefore, now you might be thinking more like me; which is that something
needs to be done to help religions find a way of peaceful existence, if
peaceful existence can ever be found.
But
at the same time, we have to agree that to achieve complete peaceful existence
is not easy the way religions are today, therefore, I believe and I hope also
that you agree with me that religions need to be reviewed and brought in line
with the present times, which embrace many changes in all sorts of issues.
Having said that, I have to say that at this present time nobody wants to
listen to our religious approach, so there is not much that we can do
presently; but one can always start thinking about the possibilities, if one
day something could be done to solve this religious problem for good.
I
believe that, the only way that this could be achieved is to come up with a
religious theory, which allows the existence
of all religions as they are today; but at the same
time finds a way and be able to show it clearly to the people that all
religions are one link of the same religious chain, which links religions
together, at the highest spiritual point; if we are able to do that, then it
might be possible to do something about it. I know this is not as simple as it
sounds, but if we keep looking for it we will find the way to show people that.
While
searching the Internet, I have found that there was a philosopher called,
Baruch Spinoza, 1632-1677 who believed that it is more likely that God may not
be just the way that religions want you to believe nowadays; but it could be
that God was more like Mother Nature therefore it is more likely that we all
are part of God and God is everything or at least every living thing in
existence.
So,
let us see what this sort of reasoning takes us; Let us assume that God could
not be exactly how we have been thought god is like today; then it may well be
that God is more like what Spinoza believed god was like, this may very well be
the link that we need to find in order to link all existing religions together.
Therefore,
if we think a bit like
Spinoza and add to the knowledge which we have
today, we might be able to describe a god which could co-exist with all
religions together.
So,
let us put out minds together and see if we can describe this God for all;
which we could call God-Most-High. Mark and Gino, what do you think of my idea?
My
friends Mark and Gino said; well, it seems a bit strange to us, but your idea
is an idea and it might even work somehow, so, let us try to make a list of how
this god-most-high could be; just to see if we are able to find a way to
Spinoza thinking about, what is God?
Very
well I said; you see, a while ago I was thinking this same thing, so I have
already written something about, what is God? So, I am going to show you soon
what I wrote:
Looking
at the many things that we have discussed in this article, I think that we have
said enough already in this hub, but we will continue with these same religious
discussions in next hub called, God and the atheist; see you there.
May
God help us find the right religious way? For this reason, I will be praying
God to help me with this prayer:
Almighty
Father, I am praying you with all my heart, my soul and my mind hoping that in
your mercy you would guide and help me, Father hear my prayer, amen.
May
God bless us all?
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